But dont you see now why the sort of people who are "funding and essentially running" the forums, say what they say? and answer in the manner that they do? its to provoke as well, knowing that any debate will get heated, and someone will say the wrong thing which will get the thread locked or deleted. At least though, what these kind of threads are doing, for those of you who are paying attention, is its showing you who is under the covers, make a note of the names mentioned on these threads in back-up, or as proof of.. and you will soon seen a pattern forming, and always the same old names on every "controversial" and outright muppet thread. Always the same "seldom" seen pieces of fantasy junk coming from the same few....I could not sit idly any longer. .